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		<title>By: Lorin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred,

You&#039;ve made my day! No, really, you have! Your comment has it all!

- A fake email address, suggesting an assumption that I couldn&#039;t possibly want to talk with you personally or care to know your perceptions or ideas (and thus cutting off the possibility).

- An assumption that either I or Dr. Martin Seligman believe in &quot;either/or&quot; thinking, or that pessimists don&#039;t care as much, or don&#039;t have good ideas, or engage in less rigorous thinking thinking than optimists. (None is true, and I thought had explicitly expressed thoughts to the contrary, but oh well.) 

- An assumption that Martin Seligman is a practitioner in &quot;pop psychology.&quot; He&#039;s one of the most esteemed psychological researchers of his generation, and his book summarizes decades of peer-reviewed research. Dr. Seligman DESPISES pop psychology with a passion, &#039;cuz it doesn&#039;t really work and it gives real science a bad name by association.

- An assumption that I can&#039;t empathize with &quot;negative&quot; people. Boy, do I empathize! I&#039;m the son of a retired and rather pessimistic psychology professor/researcher. I inherited, some of my father&#039;s intellectual habits, a lot of his revulsion regarding pop psychology/pseudo-science, AND I inherited his pessimistic approach to life.  I know very well both the good fruits of pessimism (yes, there are good fruits!) and the negatives.

I&#039;ve been learning to apply Seligman&#039;s principles of &quot;learned optimism&quot; over the past few years. I can tell you, from personal experience and observation, pessimists can add important observations to any discussion, but only rarely do folks other than optimists take the next step of going out and changing things! (There are some scientifically-validated reasons for this tendency, by the way.)

Fred, or whomever you are: Your pessimism prevented you from contacting me personally and telling me what you think needs to happen. That&#039;s one of the defining traits of pessimism: Ideas, sometimes great ideas, never brought to fruition.

How about contacting me at harmonizer@barbershop.org and sharing some of your insights and ideas for making things better? I might even be able to put you in touch with some of the folks who have the power to work with you and bring your ideas to fruition!

We&#039;re going to just have to agree to disagree on the negativity. I don&#039;t see any good fruits from a &quot;gloom and doom&quot; approach to life. Realism only seems more realistic because it lends itself to self-fulfilling prophecies. Optimists, with a few pessimists around to keep them grounded, simply create a better kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. 

That was the point of my post. I invite your ideas and feedback!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve made my day! No, really, you have! Your comment has it all!</p>
<p>- A fake email address, suggesting an assumption that I couldn&#8217;t possibly want to talk with you personally or care to know your perceptions or ideas (and thus cutting off the possibility).</p>
<p>- An assumption that either I or Dr. Martin Seligman believe in &#8220;either/or&#8221; thinking, or that pessimists don&#8217;t care as much, or don&#8217;t have good ideas, or engage in less rigorous thinking thinking than optimists. (None is true, and I thought had explicitly expressed thoughts to the contrary, but oh well.) </p>
<p>- An assumption that Martin Seligman is a practitioner in &#8220;pop psychology.&#8221; He&#8217;s one of the most esteemed psychological researchers of his generation, and his book summarizes decades of peer-reviewed research. Dr. Seligman DESPISES pop psychology with a passion, &#8216;cuz it doesn&#8217;t really work and it gives real science a bad name by association.</p>
<p>- An assumption that I can&#8217;t empathize with &#8220;negative&#8221; people. Boy, do I empathize! I&#8217;m the son of a retired and rather pessimistic psychology professor/researcher. I inherited, some of my father&#8217;s intellectual habits, a lot of his revulsion regarding pop psychology/pseudo-science, AND I inherited his pessimistic approach to life.  I know very well both the good fruits of pessimism (yes, there are good fruits!) and the negatives.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been learning to apply Seligman&#8217;s principles of &#8220;learned optimism&#8221; over the past few years. I can tell you, from personal experience and observation, pessimists can add important observations to any discussion, but only rarely do folks other than optimists take the next step of going out and changing things! (There are some scientifically-validated reasons for this tendency, by the way.)</p>
<p>Fred, or whomever you are: Your pessimism prevented you from contacting me personally and telling me what you think needs to happen. That&#8217;s one of the defining traits of pessimism: Ideas, sometimes great ideas, never brought to fruition.</p>
<p>How about contacting me at <a href="mailto:harmonizer@barbershop.org">harmonizer@barbershop.org</a> and sharing some of your insights and ideas for making things better? I might even be able to put you in touch with some of the folks who have the power to work with you and bring your ideas to fruition!</p>
<p>We&#8217;re going to just have to agree to disagree on the negativity. I don&#8217;t see any good fruits from a &#8220;gloom and doom&#8221; approach to life. Realism only seems more realistic because it lends itself to self-fulfilling prophecies. Optimists, with a few pessimists around to keep them grounded, simply create a better kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. </p>
<p>That was the point of my post. I invite your ideas and feedback!</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author might wish to consider the possibility that his &quot;either/or&quot; thinking and lack of skill in dealing with &quot;negativity&quot; (which is a value judgment by him, but which he also attributes to other&#039;s &quot;caring&quot;...hmmmm) is in fact what is &quot;making things worse.&quot;

Instead of relying on &quot;pop psychology&quot; he might consider investing in some skill-building in empathizing with all those &quot;negative&quot; people that want to see things get better, and in transforming his own energy into working with  a diverse group of people to &quot;do&quot; something specific rather to &quot;stop&quot; doing something vaguely labelled and which he personally has judged as not valuable.

Happy New Year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author might wish to consider the possibility that his &#8220;either/or&#8221; thinking and lack of skill in dealing with &#8220;negativity&#8221; (which is a value judgment by him, but which he also attributes to other&#8217;s &#8220;caring&#8221;&#8230;hmmmm) is in fact what is &#8220;making things worse.&#8221;</p>
<p>Instead of relying on &#8220;pop psychology&#8221; he might consider investing in some skill-building in empathizing with all those &#8220;negative&#8221; people that want to see things get better, and in transforming his own energy into working with  a diverse group of people to &#8220;do&#8221; something specific rather to &#8220;stop&#8221; doing something vaguely labelled and which he personally has judged as not valuable.</p>
<p>Happy New Year!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Thiel</title>
		<link>http://www.barbershophq.com/?p=1233#comment-1233</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Thiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great artlcle, Lorin! You nailed it on the head when you wrote, &quot;Men will want to join your chapter if we offer them a good musical experience along with sincere friendship and infectious enthusiasm.&quot; That&#039;s exactly why I keep coming back to the Ready, Set, Sing program offered by the Sound of the Rockies in Denver, Colorado. I&#039;m so hooked that I wake up in the morning singing the Making Spirits Bright holiday concert songs in my head! Wish that I had found this classy organization years ago. 
Happy Holidays!
Greg @ www.RelationshipCoach.us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great artlcle, Lorin! You nailed it on the head when you wrote, &#8220;Men will want to join your chapter if we offer them a good musical experience along with sincere friendship and infectious enthusiasm.&#8221; That&#8217;s exactly why I keep coming back to the Ready, Set, Sing program offered by the Sound of the Rockies in Denver, Colorado. I&#8217;m so hooked that I wake up in the morning singing the Making Spirits Bright holiday concert songs in my head! Wish that I had found this classy organization years ago.<br />
Happy Holidays!<br />
Greg @ <a href="http://www.RelationshipCoach.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.RelationshipCoach.us</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr David W Haines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr David W Haines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a breath of fresh air!  I was wondering if I was not supposed to be enjoying myself as much as I am.  I have two major service orginations I belong to and rarely miss either one.  Optimist International and BHS.  My Optimist club has a chorus of about 12 members who gather at 6 am before our club meeting at 7am.  We sing because we love it.  Three years ago I joined BHS and realized how much more I can learn and improve and still &quot;love it.&quot;  I talked two of my Optimist singers into joining me and with my sponsor in BHS we started our own quartet which has been a blast.  Harmony University was great and I&#039;m working on getting my bride ( of 41 years) to Philadelphia.  We got to Nashville but missed California.  I follow my Optimist Creed which has one phrase &quot;Forget the mistakes of the past and press on to the greater achivements of the future&quot; which I hold dear to my heart.  
It&#039;s great to be a barbershopper!
Dave Haines aka &quot;Doc&quot;  p.s.  I&#039;m headed to COTS in a few weeks.  Wish me luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a breath of fresh air!  I was wondering if I was not supposed to be enjoying myself as much as I am.  I have two major service orginations I belong to and rarely miss either one.  Optimist International and BHS.  My Optimist club has a chorus of about 12 members who gather at 6 am before our club meeting at 7am.  We sing because we love it.  Three years ago I joined BHS and realized how much more I can learn and improve and still &#8220;love it.&#8221;  I talked two of my Optimist singers into joining me and with my sponsor in BHS we started our own quartet which has been a blast.  Harmony University was great and I&#8217;m working on getting my bride ( of 41 years) to Philadelphia.  We got to Nashville but missed California.  I follow my Optimist Creed which has one phrase &#8220;Forget the mistakes of the past and press on to the greater achivements of the future&#8221; which I hold dear to my heart.<br />
It&#8217;s great to be a barbershopper!<br />
Dave Haines aka &#8220;Doc&#8221;  p.s.  I&#8217;m headed to COTS in a few weeks.  Wish me luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendell Glass</title>
		<link>http://www.barbershophq.com/?p=1233#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendell Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a wonderful article.  We are oftentimes our worst enemies.  Someone once said that fun is infectious.  We need to be positive and have fun and show that we are having fun and infect others with our kind of fun.  I didn&#039;t start doing this because I needed something else to do.  I started doing it because it brought me a lot of enjoyment in a nice, clean environment with some of the finest men with whom I&#039;ve ever been associated.  Who doesn&#039;t have time for that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a wonderful article.  We are oftentimes our worst enemies.  Someone once said that fun is infectious.  We need to be positive and have fun and show that we are having fun and infect others with our kind of fun.  I didn&#8217;t start doing this because I needed something else to do.  I started doing it because it brought me a lot of enjoyment in a nice, clean environment with some of the finest men with whom I&#8217;ve ever been associated.  Who doesn&#8217;t have time for that?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.barbershophq.com/?p=1233#comment-1220</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lorin,

Nice article, and a good reminder to think of the possibilities.  The glass really is half-full for many chapters.  I invited a friend awhile ago...a decent singer and a great guy, but I was surprised when he joined.  He&#039;s having a great time, and he regularly thanks me for inviting him.  I thought he&#039;d come and sing with us for one night and be done...wrong!  A lesson learned.

Roger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorin,</p>
<p>Nice article, and a good reminder to think of the possibilities.  The glass really is half-full for many chapters.  I invited a friend awhile ago&#8230;a decent singer and a great guy, but I was surprised when he joined.  He&#8217;s having a great time, and he regularly thanks me for inviting him.  I thought he&#8217;d come and sing with us for one night and be done&#8230;wrong!  A lesson learned.</p>
<p>Roger</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Biffle</title>
		<link>http://www.barbershophq.com/?p=1233#comment-1217</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Biffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, Lorin!  Thanks for sharing this.  As president, I&#039;ve tried to do two things always - tell the truth about our situation in as plain language as I can muster and stay positive about our eventual success.  I know that, given the love and connection every one of our 26,000 members have for this music, this hobby, and this organization, we&#039;ll turn this ship around.  Start heading, finally, toward that North Star that will lead us to growth again.  What we have is too important to die out with us.  We owe the next generations the chance to have their lives enriched by this hobby as ours have been.

Make a new pledge to Harmony Foundation.  Greet everyone at your chapter meeting with enthusiasm and good will.  Ask your neighbor - again - to come with you to a chapter meeting.

And smile, boys!  Always!

Together we can make this happen!  In Harmony!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Lorin!  Thanks for sharing this.  As president, I&#8217;ve tried to do two things always &#8211; tell the truth about our situation in as plain language as I can muster and stay positive about our eventual success.  I know that, given the love and connection every one of our 26,000 members have for this music, this hobby, and this organization, we&#8217;ll turn this ship around.  Start heading, finally, toward that North Star that will lead us to growth again.  What we have is too important to die out with us.  We owe the next generations the chance to have their lives enriched by this hobby as ours have been.</p>
<p>Make a new pledge to Harmony Foundation.  Greet everyone at your chapter meeting with enthusiasm and good will.  Ask your neighbor &#8211; again &#8211; to come with you to a chapter meeting.</p>
<p>And smile, boys!  Always!</p>
<p>Together we can make this happen!  In Harmony!</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart MacMartin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart MacMartin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put.  We&#039;re seeing right now exactly both sides of what you describe.

I&#039;ve heard it stated more succinctly:

&quot;People join and contribute to successful organizations. Few people want to join or contribute to an organization that require their help to succeed.  The perception of success is critical.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put.  We&#8217;re seeing right now exactly both sides of what you describe.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard it stated more succinctly:</p>
<p>&#8220;People join and contribute to successful organizations. Few people want to join or contribute to an organization that require their help to succeed.  The perception of success is critical.&#8221;</p>
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